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Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 06:23 pm |
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Every year a group of us go hog hunting at a place in East Texas. We are about to make the trip again and I was thinking about trying some new lures. I have done hog wild and jello but either it just doesn’t work or the deer eat it all. My question is the stuff I was going to try is the diesel and corn (to keep the deer off the corn) black gold and sow in heat. If anyone has every used any of these please let me know how it worked and also the place does have feeders that go off year around and I didn’t know if putting a bunch of new scents out would scare everything off or bring them in.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 10:03 pm |
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First, welcome to boarmasters. We need more Texans on here.
Now, I'll take a stab at your questions.
In my area the best thing too do is not make anything different, ie, adding different scents, changing baits/feed. The hogs around here have been pressured for the last few months and they are just now returning to a daytime pattern. It wouldn't take much to send them nocturnal again.
Hogs in unpressured areas will not be near as leary about something different, but, that doesn't mean they will run up to you with thier hoofs in the air begging for some more of that sow in heat.
My advice would be to not make any changes as soon as you get too the hunting area. Ask the owners what the hogs are doing. If they are on top of thier game they should be able to steer you in the right direction.
If you MUST try out new scents, bring a game camera and go to an area close to where the hogs are hanging out and put some of the scents out and set up the camera. It will tell you very quickly if they are truely interested in your scents.
Hope you get a bigun.
That avatar pic of yours in cool.
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TexasHunter87
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 01:56 am |
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Thanks for replying Nutoy, and its good to see someone from Texas on here as well. I agree with you 100% my biggest worry was to go out there put a bunch of new stuff out and it do the opposite of what I was hopping for. We have been out to this place a few times the only thing that really makes me want to try anything is that it seems if the deer are in the field the hogs aren’t when the deer are gone that’s when the pigs come it seems. Thats why I wanted to try something to keep the deer off the feeders
Thanks for your advice I really need some and the picture came from my brothers friend I don’t know if it was off his game cam or not but I always wish I could of seen the next few moments of what happened next.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 02:26 am |
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Okay Texashunter87, Nutoy has spoken wisely and given some good advice. I might add to this try some sour mash placed in a deep post hole. Look further into the forums and you will find ton's of info on this. We all have tried different things and like Nutoy stated, pressured hog's are leary of new things. I would look close at the area you are hunting, and maybe find a way to place more of whats holding them there, be it food or whatever else they are interested in. I know that one place i hunt when it flooded it washed rail road ties deep into the woods and the hogs use this to rub on. Look close at power lines and rail roads if they are in the area you hunt and if you see activity you could add a rubb station or two. You can buy creasote at the hardware store.
Read deep into the old post's on the forums, there is a wealth of knowledge and volumes of trial and error on here as well as words of wisdom.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 06:12 am |
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Thanks for that advice firedawg266, I would like to try the post whole digger idea but the land we are going on the owner doesn’t want us tearing up the land to much and ive seen what hogs will do when you put corn in the ground I think my best bet is to get there see how the activity is and see if I ever need to attract them. Thanks again and ill be sure to read into the past posts.
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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 02:01 pm |
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| Your welcome and by the way, welcome to the forums!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Feb 15th, 2008 01:05 am |
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TexasHunter87 wrote: Thanks for replying Nutoy, and its good to see someone from Texas on here as well. I agree with you 100% my biggest worry was to go out there put a bunch of new stuff out and it do the opposite of what I was hopping for. We have been out to this place a few times the only thing that really makes me want to try anything is that it seems if the deer are in the field the hogs aren’t when the deer are gone that’s when the pigs come it seems. Thats why I wanted to try something to keep the deer off the feeders
Thanks for your advice I really need some and the picture came from my brothers friend I don’t know if it was off his game cam or not but I always wish I could of seen the next few moments of what happened next.
First let me say that your "Avatar" picture is just awsome. Most people don't understand the relationship between hogs and coons, but it really makes sense if you study it. Chances are the the coon and hogs have known each other for a long time "this does not mean that they are good friends," just means that they know each other and they generally either respect each other, or fight it out.
I really have to agree with the comments that Nutoy and firedawg gave. I would like to add a few comments and ask some questions though.
From what you posted:
I would not put out any urine unless you are positive it came from a very realiable source as you might be using anything, bear urine, etc. "Just because the label says "sow -in- heat" there is really no way to tell what you are squirting around your hunting area. A sow is refered too many animals. Sorry, but that's the way some people make money. "Ever wonder why you don't see pictures of the collection process?
I won't comment on the Black Gold, but will just say go to your local feed store and buy some feed grade mollasses.
If I was going to pay someone to hunt on thier property, I would only bring a Coon urine cover scent that I knew was really coon urine.
If they have feeders that go off year round, then the hogs are probably fed really well and it will be hard to hunt them if there has been pressure on them before you arrive.
As far as you not seeing the deer when you see the hogs: Deer and hogs don't mix very much. Like I said, the hogs have a very long highway that they travel and camp out here and there along the way of thier giant circle they travel, when the hogs are gone for a few days the deer will move back in, etc. This is not always the case though, I have seen them together on occasion and just a day apart as well.
Is this a do it yourself day hunt?
Is it fully guided?
What type of terrain will you be hunting on?
How many days do you have to hunt?
Are you paying by the pound, or is thier a trophy fee?
Have you harvested from them in the past? etc, etc, etc,
The more we know, the more we can help you. Once again I love that picture. I used to have the picture of the Month on the website and that one just makes we want to start it up again.
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Posted: Fri Feb 15th, 2008 02:42 pm |
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Thanks for the advice i really appreciate it and im glad yall are liking the picture so much i always liked it but never really got any comments on it till i came to these forums. Then again i dont know to many people who love to hog hunt as much as me.
How do you know if a scent you get is reliable? Would you be able to recommend a place to get them that is reliable? and how do you use the scent as a cover scent?
To answer some more questions about the hunt it is a do it your self we have been to this place a few times so we know where everything is and the person who owns the land just wants the hogs gone there are no trophy fees and there is a bounty for pigs over 150.
There is two parts to the property one side we have decided to hunt in stands, it is larger and the times before these stands have been where we see the hogs at the feeders. The other part is smaller with only 2 stands and feeders and we think we are going to walk around unless it looks like more hog activity has happened there. Last time we went we walked around and had luck but really that’s all it was luck. We saw hogs got shots killed a few walking around but then we saw some and they saw us at the same time and they got spooked. in that back part it seems more were back there but they would not leave the woods to go to the feeders.
We are starting our hunt Friday at noon and it ends Sunday morning.
The terrain is east Texas, it is very thick dense woods but the stands and feeders are located in fields. Some on top of a hill and some on the bottom of the hill.
As far as hunting pressure goes the land owner has not allowed deer hunting for the last few years and i do not believe the hog hunting is very pressured on his land. unless you know the guy and have been there before he’s not real good about replying to emails but pretty good about phone calls. This isn’t where he makes most of his money like I said he just wants the hogs gone. there are neighboring properties that do both deer and hog hunting but im not sure if they are leases or day hunt places.
I hope that helps i know that’s a lot and i hope it helps for some more advice.
Thanks,
Craig
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Posted: Sun Feb 17th, 2008 01:58 am |
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| The different additives will work, but not overnight. You have to introduce them to the hogs. Once the hogs find that they like it, they will be back. If you go in there with change, initially, the hogs will be very leary, and not come back for a while. The Post hole method works in solid ground, but sandy soil, it is something else. Boarmaster likes a drum method. Look in the other forums for the methods.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17th, 2008 03:30 am |
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TexasHunter87 wrote: Thanks for that advice firedawg266, I would like to try the post whole digger idea but the land we are going on the owner doesn’t want us tearing up the land to much and ive seen what hogs will do when you put corn in the ground I think my best bet is to get there see how the activity is and see if I ever need to attract them. Thanks again and ill be sure to read into the past posts.
Good point on the sandy soil Chick. I want to commend Texashunter on keeping up good relations with the land owner. Too many times good property sit's idle because some jack ass goofed it up. So i say well done buddy, be respectful and the land will be there. I might add i would ask if the owner would object to a post hole except the problem is once the hogs find it, it will grow rapidly..
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Posted: Sun Feb 17th, 2008 06:09 am |
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| Probably, Boarmaster's drum method would be better on permission based land, than the post hole method.
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 12:33 pm |
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 06:14 pm |
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I’m having a little trouble trying to find where the forum about the drum method is would yall be able to direct me?
and is the coon urine cover scent a good idea and how would i use it?
Thank yall so much for yalls help I love hog hunting but I have to admit im one of the few that I know that love it im glad I can come to a forum and find so much knowledge and advice i will be sure to put pics up once i get back from my hunt.
Thanks again,
Craig
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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 11:42 pm |
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Sorry for the delay in answering your post. As far as the the coon urine; it is very easy to come by and just about any bottle of coon urine that you buy at any sporting goods store will be coon urine. It is very easy to collect coon urine, just put a tray under thier cage and filter out the feces with a coffee filter and let it run into a jar. Just Change the tray after feeding. As far as the Boar and sow urine from wild boar; it's a little harder to get. I'm just about out and will be putting a sold out sign on the website for urine scent's until spring, when I get back into the woods. Razorback outfitters sells my products and I have complete faith in them to provide you with quality urine until my inventory comes back up. The barrel method can be found in the baiting page on my website http://www.boarmasters.com/Baits_Lures.html
This is one of the links to the forum post http://boarmasters.mywowbb.com/forum1/68.html
Good luck and keep us posted!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19th, 2008 07:53 am |
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TexasHunter87 wrote: I’m having a little trouble trying to find where the forum about the drum method is would yall be able to direct me?
and is the coon urine cover scent a good idea and how would i use it?
Thank yall so much for yalls help I love hog hunting but I have to admit im one of the few that I know that love it im glad I can come to a forum and find so much knowledge and advice i will be sure to put pics up once i get back from my hunt.
Thanks again,
Craig
Hey Craig, look under baiting wild boar on the homepage for boarmasters, about half way down the page under baiting wild boar...
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