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brucet
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 06:42 pm |
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| I also don't allow anybody else by the baits.If someone goes with me they have to stand back by the tree stand.I don't want any strange scent around the bait.I've seen to many problems when that happened.
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wyohunter
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 08:57 pm |
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| That's weird. I've taken people in with me and it never affected the bear activity. I walk all around the site and look at everything. Sometimes I will spend over a hour looking around. I especially use the shirt on the big ones and have had good success. I've even have urinated at the site, not right on the barrel but close by and no change what so ever. I like to test different things and see how far they will let me go. By changing things around the more I learn about the bear and hopefully will become better and better at it. I have only been bear hunting for 8 years.
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wyohunter
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 09:02 pm |
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I feel that a bear knows that someone is in the trees before they ever come in. I think that they decide whether or not to come in from the odor they pick up and depending on how hungry and how much competition there is out there for the same food.
But I am no expert by any means. That's just me guessing.
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brucet
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Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 11:55 pm |
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wyohunter wrote: That's weird. I've taken people in with me and it never affected the bear activity. I walk all around the site and look at everything. Sometimes I will spend over a hour looking around. I especially use the shirt on the big ones and have had good success. I've even have urinated at the site, not right on the barrel but close by and no change what so ever. I like to test different things and see how far they will let me go. By changing things around the more I learn about the bear and hopefully will become better and better at it. I have only been bear hunting for 8 years. Some of the hunters when they would get to the lodge would want to go with me to check the baits.It never failed back when I allowed them to go right to the bait and help me with the bait or simply stand there at the bait the bear would stop hitting that bait for at least 2 to 3 days and some big bear would stop coming in all togather.This would be a bait that was hit non stop for weeks.I've even noticed that when Frank would go in with me to set up a stand that the bear would skip coming in for a couple days also.Seen this over and over.I now like to set up the stands myself and a bigger stand that I need help with I'll make sure its set up weeks ahead of time.The big bear around here if they catch a wiff of human scent from a diffrent person are gone for the year.I've seen it happen time after time.I can even tell if a person is moving around alot in his stand as the bait will stop being hit for a couple of nights and then will start getting hit again if they person moves to another stand.I'm just guessing but I think the bear are hunted hard around here with alot of people hunting the same bear.Maybe I'm analizing to much but I'm wondering if your bear are in remote areas and the diffrent scents don't bother them.Just a guess on my part.Like I said around here those big bear see or smell something out of place they are gone.
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brucet
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 12:02 am |
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wyohunter wrote: I feel that a bear knows that someone is in the trees before they ever come in. I think that they decide whether or not to come in from the odor they pick up and depending on how hungry and how much competition there is out there for the same food.
But I am no expert by any means. That's just me guessing.
Around here I don't believe it, as I have seen diffrent.I've had guys on stands that were getting hit hard and had that person on the stand for 2 to 3 nights with it not getting hit at all.I know that bear see,heard or smelled that person.I then got it hitting again in a few days and the following week put a guy on the bait that holds still and have him get a bear the first night.I have had this happen alot.Talking to the first guy he will say things like he never moved he swears he never move but he saw a bear and it took off without him getting a shot off.I asked him whhere he saw the bear.He said behind him It don't take a rocket scientist to figure out he had to turn his head to see that bear.Another classic is but you got to swat at flies and such
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brucet
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:18 am |
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| It sure is interesting so so how bear act so diffrently in diffrent states and enviorments.I'm finding this discussion fastinating indeed.
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wyohunter
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:25 am |
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| It's interesting hearing the differences of how the bear react. I hope other readers will learn from our posts and become better themselves. To help you a little I am not hunting in remote areas. The last bear I took was within 3/4 mile of a major state road. At times the road noise got rather loud especially when the semis were gearing down on the steep grade. This fall when my wife was hunting a new site. It was Labor Day weekend and I didn't realize the amount of traffic on the forest road nearby. She said it was a constant flow of atv's. I gave my wife a bag of marshmallows to throw around the site if a small bear came in and ate the ones I had put out. A small bear did come in and she watched as it ate all the marshmallows. She wanted to see how the bear would react so she threw a marshmallow's near it. It jumped slightly looked around and ate it. All the time the bear would look around and if it looked in my wife direction she wouldn't move. As soon as it looked away she would toss another one. Testing the waters a little, she tossed one and hit the bear on the side and it slightly jumped and and turned and ate it. She had made multiple trips into the site before season to bait with me and I made sure she walked around a lot and touched everything. I don't have some of the dilemma's as you do having to deal with other people and all there different habits and I'm sure some very bad habits.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:35 am |
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I remembered something else. As I mentioned before that I use climbing tree stands. The end of the first day that my wife set in the tree stand we left the stand within 15 feet of the barrel on the side of the tree. When we went back in the next morning. The bear had left fresh tracks all over the stand. The game camera showed me that it was the big bear.
Like I said before, I have taken in friends of mine right to the barrel and let them help me put out bait. That evening the game camera showed the big bears had came in.
It would be fascinating to know why they react so differently from our locations. I'm sure if someone would post from Georgia or maybe Oregon they would probably have different stories themselves.
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brucet
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:40 am |
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wyohunter wrote: It's interesting hearing the differences of how the bear react. I hope other readers will learn from our posts and become better themselves. To help you a little I am not hunting in remote areas. The last bear I took was within 3/4 mile of a major state road. At times the road noise got rather loud especially when the semis were gearing down on the steep grade. This fall when my wife was hunting a new site. It was Labor Day weekend and I didn't realize the amount of traffic on the forest road nearby. She said it was a constant flow of atv's. I gave my wife a bag of marshmallows to throw around the site if a small bear came in and ate the ones I had put out. A small bear did come in and she watched as it ate all the marshmallows. She wanted to see how the bear would react so she threw a marshmallow's near it. It jumped slightly looked around and ate it. All the time the bear would look around and if it looked in my wife direction she wouldn't move. As soon as it looked away she would toss another one. Testing the waters a little, she tossed one and hit the bear on the side and it slightly jumped and and turned and ate it. She had made multiple trips into the site before season to bait with me and I made sure she walked around a lot and touched everything. I don't have some of the dilemma's as you do having to deal with other people and all there different habits and I'm sure some very bad habits. My question would be are there other hunters hunting the same bear as you?That happens alot here.The bear just go from bait to bait.I know this for a fact as we have had dogs trail a bear from one bait site to another to another.The bear around here get smart fast or get dead.Most the big bear don't come into the baits untill after dark,theres no way to spot and stalk them in the heavy cover of the maine woods,and the big bear over 400 pounds don't tree and just walk along fighting the dogs where we are only allowed to use 4 dogs at a time.I think most of the times when a big bear finaly makes a mistake is when a bunch of bear are hitting a bait and the big bear has to come in a little earlier to get some grub.Then on top of that that hunter better not make a mistake or that big bear is gone.
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brucet
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 02:45 am |
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wyohunter wrote: I remembered something else. As I mentioned before that I use climbing tree stands. The end of the first day that my wife set in the tree stand we left the stand within 15 feet of the barrel on the side of the tree. When we went back in the next morning. The bear had left fresh tracks all over the stand. The game camera showed me that it was the big bear.
Like I said before, I have taken in friends of mine right to the barrel and let them help me put out bait. That evening the game camera showed the big bears had came in.
It would be fascinating to know why they react so differently from our locations. I'm sure if someone would post from Georgia or maybe Oregon they would probably have different stories themselves.
One stand comes right to mind where the day Frank and I set it up its a guarentee its going to be skiped for 2 days before it gets hit again.Its done that all 7 years I've been working with Frank.I might be wrong but my guess would be hunting pressure and the fact that the bear have learned that diffrent human scent means dangor here in Maine.
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wyohunter
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 03:08 am |
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I don't know what kind of bait densities you have there. One bait site per 1 square mile is allowed here. No one will have 2 of there own bait sites next to one another because you will be more than likely drawing the same bear. I normally will have mine spread out at least 6 miles apart. I feel the longer you have a site the better it is. At one site that I have had for a few years I had 7 different bear come in during the fall season. There is alot of hunting pressure in the area that I hunt. We have to register our sites and are allowed 2 sites per licenced hunter. We are limited on the baits we can use and the time frames in which we can bait. We can only bait two weeks before season. I don't think that gives a person long enough to set up good patterns. Especially when we go on a sow mortality rate and this last fall the season lasted 3 days. I wish they would do limited quota hunts so you would not feel pressured in such a short hunt time. The problem is that the fall hunt is normally very short because people will shoot the first bear that comes in because they now that the next day season could be closed. We can't use dogs here anymore and spot and stalk is almost impossible here because of the terrain.
I wish someone from another state would join in and give us some more input.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 03:22 am |
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wyohunter wrote: I don't know what kind of bait densities you have there. One bait site per 1 square mile is allowed here. No one will have 2 of there own bait sites next to one another because you will be more than likely drawing the same bear. I normally will have mine spread out at least 6 miles apart. I feel the longer you have a site the better it is. At one site that I have had for a few years I had 7 different bear come in during the fall season. There is alot of hunting pressure in the area that I hunt. We have to register our sites and are allowed 2 sites per licenced hunter. We are limited on the baits we can use and the time frames in which we can bait. We can only bait two weeks before season. I don't think that gives a person long enough to set up good patterns. Especially when we go on a sow mortality rate and this last fall the season lasted 3 days. I wish they would do limited quota hunts so you would not feel pressured in such a short hunt time. The problem is that the fall hunt is normally very short because people will shoot the first bear that comes in because they now that the next day season could be closed. We can't use dogs here anymore and spot and stalk is almost impossible here because of the terrain.
I wish someone from another state would join in and give us some more input.
Here on paper land its 1 per quarter mile.That might be 4 guys in that 1 mile.On private land someone could put a bait right next to yours on nearby land.We have our baits mostly about a half a mile apart.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 03:23 am |
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| Its a shame you can't use dogs as that is a very fun way to hunt bear as well as baiting.
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Dry-Run
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Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 09:23 pm |
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Well there sure alot of info that came in---Thanks. After thinking awhile about it I come up with somemore questions. wyohunter you say you like to put a tree stand at 20+ ft,and your bait site is about 10yards away. Ok no problem so except where are you aiming at the bear? From that hight and closeness of the bait seems like would be shooting down at the spine? I don't see how you could get a heart or lung shot as the shoulder blades would be covering them-what cha think?
As for meat bait,boy trying to get that stuff is tough. I found a source for beef trim called 50/50 (meat-grissel,and fat) only problem there is he wants 0.98 cents a pound for it. Crap I can buy frozen chicken hind quarters for 0.69 cents a pound. I have the trim off a cow elk I got this fall froze but it sure isn't much. Mostly bone an fat as I love elk and am real careful not to waste any if possible. So I don't know wether to spring for a little beef or just go with the chicken. I think I also score 1/2 a ton of frozen green beans(for free) so I hope they like that also. I was thinking also of using some rolled oats with some Bear-ly legal put on it.
I don't know for sure yet what the Idaho rules are on baiting yet. I think your are allowed 3 bait sites per permit, they have to be 200ft from water and a certain distance from any camping area. I find out more when I go in. I believe I'll have to show them on a map where I want to place the baits they will record the location and give me some signs to post.
The area I want to hunt is near a like 6hrs away from where I live. I thought I'd go over aweek or so from now check out the area for someplace that is Isolated that maybe I could float into to set the bait, I think I only screw around with two bait sites since I don't know what I'm doing. Then go back 3-4 days before the seanon starts put in the bait then go Perch fishing to kill time. Once the season starts refill the bait leave and come to my stand from another direction acouple hours latter and sit until dark. What do you guys think?
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Posted: Tue Jan 22nd, 2008 04:07 pm |
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Dry-Run wrote: Well there sure alot of info that came in---Thanks. After thinking awhile about it I come up with somemore questions. wyohunter you say you like to put a tree stand at 20+ ft,and your bait site is about 10yards away. Ok no problem so except where are you aiming at the bear? From that hight and closeness of the bait seems like would be shooting down at the spine? I don't see how you could get a heart or lung shot as the shoulder blades would be covering them-what cha think?
As for meat bait,boy trying to get that stuff is tough. I found a source for beef trim called 50/50 (meat-grissel,and fat) only problem there is he wants 0.98 cents a pound for it. Crap I can buy frozen chicken hind quarters for 0.69 cents a pound. I have the trim off a cow elk I got this fall froze but it sure isn't much. Mostly bone an fat as I love elk and am real careful not to waste any if possible. So I don't know wether to spring for a little beef or just go with the chicken. I think I also score 1/2 a ton of frozen green beans(for free) so I hope they like that also. I was thinking also of using some rolled oats with some Bear-ly legal put on it.
I don't know for sure yet what the Idaho rules are on baiting yet. I think your are allowed 3 bait sites per permit, they have to be 200ft from water and a certain distance from any camping area. I find out more when I go in. I believe I'll have to show them on a map where I want to place the baits they will record the location and give me some signs to post.
The area I want to hunt is near a like 6hrs away from where I live. I thought I'd go over aweek or so from now check out the area for someplace that is Isolated that maybe I could float into to set the bait, I think I only screw around with two bait sites since I don't know what I'm doing. Then go back 3-4 days before the seanon starts put in the bait then go Perch fishing to kill time. Once the season starts refill the bait leave and come to my stand from another direction acouple hours latter and sit until dark. What do you guys think?
Dry-Run
If you was using a bow I'd be more concerned about the angle but not with a gun.I do like at least 20 yards but thats just me.Everyone is diffrent.I like 50 yards even better with a gun as that puts you further away from the bear with less chance of him seeing or smelling you.I also like to get up as high as I can go as the higher you go the less chance of the bear smelling you.The biggest thing no matter which distance or height you go with is wind direction and holding still.Also wait untill the bear settles in on the bait real good and has his attention fully on the bait before you slowly bring the gun up.
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